Wild claims by dealers

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Bryce
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Wild claims by dealers

Post by Bryce » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:14 pm

G'day guys,

Many dealers often make some wild claims when it comes to "selling" the provenance of their wares. I thought this one was worthy of a mention because it is the first time I have seen a sword given a regimental attribution, based solely on the maker. Has anyone come across this before?

http://www.thelanesarmoury.co.uk/viewph ... 57&phqu=10

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Bryce

Will
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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Will » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:03 am

"Almost certainly used by a Coldstream flank company officer" is in the write up for what reason, disclaimer? Lean 'em 'ard on the buffing wheel, shiny sell 'em!

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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Matt Easton » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:23 pm

There are two dealers, probably immediately thought of by people here, who regularly make outrageous and unsupported claims/attributions. One of them seems to list 50% of all their Napoleonic era swords as probably having been carried at Waterloo and a fair chunk of their Victorian cavalry swords and having been at Balaclava. It actually makes for hilarious entertainment to me.
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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Robert.J » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:19 pm

I bet one of those dealers is the one who says on their website that they never misdescribe items or make dubious claims about items. They’ve got a sword at the moment which they say was at Waterloo but which has been been shown up as a fake on another forum. I also remember that they had a sword which they said was definitely at Waterloo because it was rusty and it rained the night before Waterloo.

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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Chris A » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:43 pm

Yes, the guy mentioned by Robert can usually bring a smile to your face. He has swords of patterns that I never knew existed like the 1796 Naval Master of Arms sword ! What isn’t funny is that some people buy these things believing they have a rare/historically important sword and may well give up collecting when they discover how they have been duped.
It’s no wonder this guy is based in Spain and although he buys in British auctions never comes to Britain.

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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Will » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:05 am

How many of these "fake" swords stay hidden from view in collections or only shown to others who have no knowledge of swords? It could be decades before one of these surface again and then to be labelled "fake" again only for it to resurface as an authentic sword for sale.
One of the most elaborate sword I saw was a good presentation sword that was "faked" as a Wilkinson belonging to a VC winner. Sold for $13,800 US by a reputable and large US auction house. The truth was relayed but obviously not entertained.
I posted it some years ago and surprisingly it is still online: https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... officers-s
Note the positioning of the proof disc and the letters on the blade. The etching is not Wilkinson. A good attempt that seemingly has fooled many.

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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by John H » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:32 am

Wow - somebody really went to town with the Letraset there!

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Re: Wild claims by dealers

Post by Richard » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:58 pm

Will, John
I've copied your posts to the 'Fakes' thread just to keep everything on the subject of faked etching in one place.
Richard

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