1796 Light Cavalry Officer Pipe-back

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Post by Will » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:06 am

Bryce it's the Gill 1796 HC sword I posted here. Scabbard is unmarked with split rings.

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Post by Bryce » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:08 am

Thanks Will,
Definitely a troopers scabbard. Actually it may not be that surprising. I have two Gill 1796 light cavalry sabres, which appear to be plain officer's versions, but with troopers' scabbards, with split rings. I wonder if they are associated with yeomanry regiments?
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Post by Richard » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:21 pm

Bryce wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:19 am
Thanks Richard,
I wonder if you can help me out with another of my observations. While 1796 cavalry officer sword scabbards nearly always have split hanging rings, Prosser marked swords or unmarked swords in the style of Prosser always have solid rings? I have no idea why this would be. I once thought it had something to do with Infantry verse cavalry, but after more research I think it has more to do with the manufacturer.
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Bryce
Hi Bryce

I can confirm that all of my Prosser officer swords have solid butt-ended rings.

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Post by Will » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:40 pm

Sewn closed straps requiring split rings for removal while others had straps that have a method of detaching from itself or used metal clips?
I've seen the odd scabbard still retaining sword strap ends but never looked at the rings.

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Post by Bryce » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 pm

Most sword slings that I have seen had clips, so it didn't matter if the rings were split or not. It is very rare to see intact examples, so I will need to take more notice in the future.
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Post by Bryce » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:28 pm

I can confirm that all of my Prosser officer swords have solid butt-ended rings.
Thanks Richard,
I wonder why this is? I imagine split rings would have been a very tricky thing to manufacture back then.
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Bryce

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Post by Will » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:34 am

Bryce I would think split rings are quite easily made by coiling heavy wire and then cut at the desired amount. Where the two ends meet the wire section between them is bent to accommodate their thickness so the overall diameter of the coil remains consistent.

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Post by Bryce » Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:30 am

G'day Will,
You may be right. I was thinking there was a bit more to it then that.
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Bryce
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Post by Bryce » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:46 am

G'day Guys,
Can anyone tell me if the use of split rings on cavalry officers' swords continued into the Victorian era? I don't collect Victorian swords, so can't check any.
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Post by Bryce » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:29 am

G'day Richard,
I was reading your new book and noticed that Lt Col. Fiennes Sanderson Miller's ladder hilt sword has the look of Prosser about it. I assume the scabbard isn't marked? Does it have solid scabbard rings?
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Bryce

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