IVORY Ban?

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IVORY Ban?

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:30 am

This new UK ban may be implemented, how would it affect swords with ivory grips? So far I have not purchased ivory gripped swords because of requiring a Cites certificate.
This proposed ban may do more harm than good.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/arts ... tcore-ipad
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Re: IVORY Ban?

Postby sword335 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:21 pm

One will be able to buy and sell antiques with less than 10% of ivory by volume with a permit. Exactly how this is measured is not stated but if you count the scabbard of a sword (and it is an intregal part) then we hopefully are O.K. This still has to go through Parliament and a lot of the proposals are very vague but at least it's a lot better than Prince William's proposal that ALL ivory items regardless of age or importance should be destroyed ! Enough to make you become a Republican !

Needless to say, this will not save a single elephant.

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Re: IVORY Ban?

Postby Bryce » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:49 pm

G'day Guys,
I can understand the rationale behind the ban. Hopefully as Chris pointed out sword grips will be OK. The thing is though, the trade in ivory that is killing elephants is already illegal. I doubt that the criminals are slipping most of this ivory thru as antique ivory. They are more likely selling it to people who don't care and I don't see how the new ban will change this.
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Re: IVORY Ban?

Postby sword335 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:54 am

Quite right Bryce.
They say that items with less than 10% by volume will just require self certification and will be done on line with a "small" fee payable but there are no further details. Already a number of auction houses have stopped accepting items with any amount of ivory because of the vagueness of the proposals. This is just a stupid knee jerk reaction to ignorant publicity seeking people and unfortunately has been taken up by all political parties. If you say it will save elephants everyone thinks it's a good idea !

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Re: IVORY Ban?

Postby sword335 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:00 am

This is the actual proposal.

Following the UK Government announcement yesterday, and subject to primary legislation being enacted, there will be a ban on the commercial use of ivory in the UK with five exemptions.

The exemptions will cover:

1. Sales to and between museums, and museums will be also able to purchase items not covered by the other exemptions
2. Musical instruments made pre-1975 with a maximum 20% by volume of ivory components
3. Portrait miniatures created 100 years before the ban comes into effect
4. Objects (pre 1947) with a de minimis amount of ivory content of 10% by volume
5. An exemption for the sale of the ‘rarest and most significant items of their type’ made 100 years prior to the ban coming into force This definition should be clarified prior to legislation being enacted.

For objects falling under exemptions 2, 3 and 4 there will be a system of self-registration administered by APHA (Animal Plant & Health Agency). It will entail registering the object online with a description/photograph and a document will be generated for the sale. The provider of the information will be legally responsible for ensuring that the object conforms to the criteria set out in the exemptions.
For objects under exemption 5 an application will have to be made to APHA. The application will be passed on to a museum or other institution which will allocate a member of staff who can assess the item. Following their recommendation, it will be up to APHA to decide whether or not to issue a sale permit.
The system will be enforced by criminal and civil sanctions and it will be an offence both to buy and to sell objects covered by the ban.
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Re: IVORY Ban?

Postby Richard » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:28 am

Ivory Update

I wanted to bring you up to date with the government’s proposed ban on the trade in ivory. Last week the House of Lords debated the 2nd reading of the bill. Seven Peers highlighted concerns and issues which we have raised with government, you can find a full transcript of the debate here:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/201 ... /IvoryBill

The next stage of the bill will be the committee stage in the House of Lords, this is timetabled to take place in September. We are hopeful that there will be a number of amendments tabled which seek to address our concerns with the proposed legislation.

We are continuing to prepare for a potential legal challenge and will update you as this progresses.

I also want to remind you of the petition which Alastair Gibson has had accepted by Parliament. The petition states:

“I am concerned that the Government are using this topic to try and destroy the bona fide antiques trade. De minimis rule: 50% for cultural objects made of ivory.

Following the introduction of the Ivory Bill, the de minimis rule is too narrow at 10% to be a working meaningful exemption. If it is not amended by Parliament it will cause the wilful destruction of genuine antiques: a chest of drawers with ivory inlay, a chess set or even a religious icon like a Corpus Christi, making them illegal to sell and perhaps be even subsequently confiscated or destroyed.”

It is very easy to add your support to the petition by following this link:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223254

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION EVERYONE (and make sure that you click the automatically generated email link to confirm your registration).
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Re: IVORY Ban?

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