1796 HC Troopers

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1796 HC Troopers

Postby Will Mathieson » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:04 pm

A typically modified 1796 HC troopers sword marked I Gill.
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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby sword335 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:07 am

Don’t often see them with all three modifications. Mind you, I always thought the modifying of the guard was to stop the sword causing wear to the uniform rather than improving the sword as a weapon. Not sure it would have been that popular with the troopers.

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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Jerry Cottrell » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:36 pm

Thanks for sharing Will.

This is my example, by Joseph Hadley Reddell of Birmingham.

Two of the three mods - blade to spear point and lancets removed (these are indifferent replacements, I haven't had the courage to remove them yet). Disk hilt unmodified.

With a name to work with I did some research. It was J H Reddell and Co, then Reddell and Bate in partnership, then back to Reddell and Co with the partnership dissolving in 1807. Poor old Joseph Reddell was listed as bankrupt twice, in 1820 and again in 1837 (a foray into the paints business). He died in 1847.

I imagine many of the arms manufacturers for the Ordnance must have suffered commercially after 1815.

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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:56 am

Jerry that's a great example of a 1796 HC sword. Lancets look fine, possibly a bit of aging would make them appear original? I like them complete, without lancets is akin to pulling teeth.
I'm watching the Outlander series, though fiction it does make me think what history swords have been part of down to an individual level.
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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Jerry Cottrell » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:06 am

Just noticed autocorrect is changing langets to lancets... :?

I'll probably leave them, though they do look a bit wrong.

Overall though in good nick and I like the makers cartouche on the scabbard.

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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Richard » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:15 pm

A good example as you say Jerry but I agree the langets do look a touch wrong - a little too long I would say but I would also leave them since you know they are restored and there’s nothing wrong with that.
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PS, below is an example by Craven.
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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Will Mathieson » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:27 am

Richard very nice example, I like the Craven name, just something about it. I have yet to find a good example with scabbard, waiting for the unmodified hilt and having langets and regimental markings from a regiment who was at Waterloo.
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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Bryce » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:46 am

G'day Will,

Here is my Craven 1796 HC. Not a perfect example, but it was right at the start of my collection. It is unit marked, but unfortunately to a yeomanry regiment. The hilt is a little askew and the scabbard has a slight bend, possibly the sort of damage you might get if you fell off your horse on to it.


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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Richard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:04 am

Warwickshire Yeomanry using heavy cavalry swords
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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Bryce » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:37 pm

Thanks Richard,

The sword in this illustration appears to have a spear point. If the date of this illustration is 1797, then it appears that these swords were being modified to spear points almost as soon as this pattern was introduced.

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Re: 1796 HC Troopers

Postby Richard » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:18 am

Hi Bryce

Well spotted! I can't say that I'd ever noticed that before. Anyway, I have a full set of these original prints made by Richard Lawrence of the 2nd troop WYC and published in 1797 (there are 4 in total, each with 2 depictions of various attack and defence motions) and all show straight-bladed swords with spear points. However, whilst these prints do seem pretty accurate, as with most contemporary depictions of the time, they cannot be said to be 100% so. I think there can be little doubt from the print I posted that the sword shown is the 1796HC but other prints are not a great representation of the sword as a whole (i.e. hilt is sometimes a little unclear) so I am inclined to think that the spear points shown are artistic licence rather than an accurate depiction of converted hatchet points. But then again, I could be wrong ....

Incidentally, I used to own an officer's version of these WYC swords with etched blade decoration (below)

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