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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:28 am

Now I don't think I would purchase a sword without provenance either to an officer or regimentally marked. Regimental specific trooper patterns an exception.

Here is a horse bit from an eBay auction, an interesting Indian cavalry one to H.H. The Guikowars Cavalry. Can't seem to find much info about them post mutiny period which I assume this is from. Interesting scimitar above the intertwined initials.
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Re: Auction news

Postby andrewDeeley » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:49 am

out of interest does anyone know the collector behind the lots for sale with Morphys?

I believe POW sword has been withdrawn.

Did anyone else from the forum get anything from the morphys sale?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:51 pm

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I believe we have discussed this subject before: I am in touch with a collector in Wales who has been putting his collection up for sale at recent auctions run by Lawrence's of Crewkerne. He now tells me that another batch of his swords is about to go to that venue including one that members may be interested in: an 1821 HC officer's sword presented (I think) by an Artillery officer to his brother, a Cavalry Officer (please don't ask me for names - I can't remember). Anyway, the interesting thing about it is that it has a prayer (or psalm) etched down the blade - something I have never come across before.

Keep a lookout those who may be interested.

Richard.

PS, if anyone wants to make a private offer, I think he wants £2500-£3000. I can try put you in contact but you have to let me know today i.e. 2 Oct 2017
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:11 am

Lloyds Patriotic sword certificate. This may be of value to a collector that has this Lloyds sword

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... image-link
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Re: Auction news

Postby sword335 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:24 pm

The owner of the sword contacted the Lloyds Sword website just a couple of weeks ago with a question about restoration and has been made aware of the sale. It would be a great shame if he let the opportunity to reunite the sword and certificate slip by.

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:07 pm

Auction yesterday had a 1796 HC troopers sword less scabbard marked to the Scots Greys. I quit bidding before it went to 1400 GBP !

The marking had the 16 number that may relate to 1816.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:42 pm

Hi Will

Scots Greys doubles the price ....

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:38 am

Hi Richard double the price seems to be the case.
There is historical value to swords having provenance and/or high end made swords ie: gilt and blued blades seem to command some of the highest prices.
The four swords you pictured have the best of both worlds.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Tue May 01, 2018 8:45 pm

G'day Guys,

An Osborn and Gunby variant officer's 1796 sold at auction last night. Anybody here get it?

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed May 02, 2018 12:08 am

I didn't see it but if the main photo was only the hilt it's easy to bypass it.

I recently won this sword: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... b30008ccca

So far I've drawn a blank with the initials JHR. I thought the date of 1854 would have made it easy! I was thinking Crimea but with the leather grip possibly British India.

Any help with the initials would be appreciated.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Wed May 02, 2018 12:52 am

G'day Will,

I think the initials could be JHR or THR. Had a quick look in the 1855 army list and came up with 8 contenders. None of them seemed to fit as not cavalry or artillery. Without a clue to the regiment it is a big ask unfortunately. The etching looks nice and very similar in style to my pre-numbering Wilkinson.

I wonder what led the auctioneer to describe it as fencible?

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Re: Auction news

Postby MikeShowers » Fri May 04, 2018 2:25 am

Will Mathieson wrote:I didn't see it but if the main photo was only the hilt it's easy to bypass it.

I recently won this sword: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... b30008ccca

So far I've drawn a blank with the initials JHR. I thought the date of 1854 would have made it easy! I was thinking Crimea but with the leather grip possibly British India.

Any help with the initials would be appreciated.


Will,
A quick look through the list of HEIC cadets (if you haven't already looked there) and we have: James Hales Reid, James Henry Reid, John Henry Reynolds, John Hewetson Reynolds, John Howard Rice and James Henry Ruding. I may have missed a few and have no idea in what years they passed out but it might get you some possibilities.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri May 04, 2018 11:54 am

Thanks Mike I'll start looking there and pause where I am now.
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Re: Auction news

Postby MikeShowers » Fri May 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Will Mathieson wrote:Thanks Mike I'll start looking there and pause where I am now.

Here is the link to the list: http://isp.ans.com.au/~rampais/genelogy ... adfram.htm
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed May 09, 2018 3:30 am

Thanks Mike and please excuse my late response as my internet was not working until today.
I also received the sword today, 34 3/16" long blade weighs 1 lb 11 oz and scabbard 1 lb 2 oz.
A good light weight sword in full size. Original leather covered grip with three fine twist wires, the same as found on patent hilt swords.
The hilt is also fairly light construction, the bars not as thick as expected. Overall a good light and fast sword.
I like the etched "1854" I think the hand crafted look of it gives it a real aged appearance and is the beginning of the Crimea War although most likely owned by a British officer serving in India. Some did make it over to the Crimea..
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Re: Auction news

Postby Matt Easton » Thu May 31, 2018 9:55 pm

Bryce wrote:G'day Guys,

An Osborn and Gunby variant officer's 1796 sold at auction last night. Anybody here get it?


Hi Bryce,
Yes I got it. I had considered keeping it, but I've kept a lot of stuff recently, so it's now listed for sale on my website.
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Earlshall sword

Postby Will Mathieson » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:38 pm

This auction listing shows one of Earlshalls swords.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... 2700bb4fc3
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:52 pm

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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:21 pm

Wow!
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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 pm

G'day Guys,

Our old mate is back at it again with an artificially aged repro 1796 heavy cavalry sword. Bidding up to $US 786.00!

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ANTIQUE-179 ... :rk:7:pf:0

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:53 pm

This is an excellent reason for people entering the collecting world to purchase good reference materials before purchasing actual swords etc.
I don't think any collector has avoided all aged repros especially when beginning to collect but ones like this are pricey. You can buy this repro for $200, throw it in the garden for a couple months then clean it up and you have a convincing antique.
Seems there are more than one item artificially aged on his listings.
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Re: Auction news Fake Wilkinson

Postby Will Mathieson » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:45 pm

I found a working link that is in regard to page 3 &4 of this post
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... officers-s
I wonder where the sword is languishing now?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Leo Moth » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:49 pm

As a new member I thought I would just add a couple of lines about my recent auction experiences, good & bad! I purchased a pattern 1796 heavy cavalry sword that was only illustrated by two photographs on-line. The pictures couldn't be zoomed-in on, which is unusual with modern digital pictures these days, but I detected a hint of what I thought was etching from a side view of the guard; to be honest it could have just been heavy scratching. There was nothing in the description that helped. I got it for what I considered a good price, and when I received it I was more than happy to see it was nicely etched 'QDG' over 'K' over '47'. Unfortunately, in the same sale I purchased what I thought was a nice clean pattern 1796 light cavalry sword, but when it arrived it had obviously been 'cleaned' with a mechanical sander destroying over 200 years of patina! This could not be seen from the multiple pictures on-line, as again the pictures could not be zoomed-in on, and there was no mention in the description of any possible problem with the blade. When I complained vigorously to the auction house; who describe themselves as 'a leading auction house'!, I was completely fobbed off. Needless to say I will never purchase anything from them again. I guess we all rely on auction houses to be honest, but this is not always the case.
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Re: Auction news

Postby sword335 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:01 pm

I would not ask you to name and shame but I presume that the ‘leading auction house’ is not a specialist Arms auctioneer. The are lots of provincial auction houses now who will offer Arms for sale knowing that if their sales are on the internet that the items will sell. They do not have the expertise to catalogue properly as shown by your first purchase. If they had they would have realised how important regimental markings were on those swords. They also don’t see any difference between an original blade and a polished one. After all, the’re both shiny aren’t they.
It’s impossible to view every sale that has swords for sale but I think that one has to ask for a condition report and extra images before bidding when dealing with non specialist cataloguers. After all, if they expect top prices they must give a top service.

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:53 pm

That your sword is regimentally marked is a positive, the sanding not so. You have some work to do removing the sanding marks but it can be done dependent on depth of scratching. Patina or most likely quite rusty to make someone think a power sander was necessary. Few swords are found with two centuries of patina, Owners and collectors over this time tend to shine up these swords. A patina will come back with handling of the sword and time.
Can you post photos?
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