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Re: Auction news

Postby MikeShowers » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:05 am

Even if the etching was added by a "family member" posthumously sometime in the 20thC, he ended his career as a Lt Col, so why etched as a Brevet Major? Odd to say the least. Screams fake attribution to me, but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:49 am

He was made Brevet-Major in June 1856, not 1854?

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:52 pm

1856? I sense a price drop due to this and the etching being a later addition!! I saw a presentation sword on RIA a few years back, a good sword but not made by Wilkinsons as the forger would have you believe. Modern etching to a VC winner. Sold for $10,000 and not worth $100 because the proof disc was forged along with Wilkinson ricasso etching. It may have been made by Mole. It would reside in a collection where the owner is oblivious to the forgery.
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Re: Auction news

Postby JordanPL » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:13 pm

Equally spurious in my mind (although not an expert) is the engraving on Berkeley Vincent's sword. Surely if he took the time to purchase a wonderful Wilkinson he would have had his initials engraved in a more elegant manner?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:21 pm

Jordan
Perversely I would have thought that's more likely to be genuine than the R Portal sword (I'm not saying it is genuine by any means though!). It's just that the BV 1891 is an obvious addition and surely cannot be pretending to fool anyone. On the other hand, the Portal sword is a clear attempt at forgery.
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PS, does anyone want to know how forged etching was done?
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Re: Auction news

Postby JordanPL » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:06 pm

Agreed Richard, I know where you are coming from.

Looking at the serial number it dates it to approx 1890, so the etching was clearly done after the fact (how long after we will never know).

It still doesn't make sense to me to have such a great sword and then not have Wilkinson etch his initials?

P.S. Makes me a little nervous bidding on anything other than low end swords?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Bryce » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:37 pm

G'day Richard,

Enlighten us.

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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:17 pm

Many examples of false blade etching were carried out in the late 1970s, 1980s and 1990s using acid-resistant Letraset (I think no longer commercially available). The photo below is an example - I know who did it and he told me exactly how - it took about 3 hours to set out the lettering and then a 5 minute douse with acid.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:19 pm

JordanPL wrote:Agreed Richard, I know where you are coming from.

Looking at the serial number it dates it to approx 1890, so the etching was clearly done after the fact (how long after we will never know).

It still doesn't make sense to me to have such a great sword and then not have Wilkinson etch his initials?

P.S. Makes me a little nervous bidding on anything other than low end swords?


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Re: Auction news

Postby JordanPL » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:39 pm

Thanks Richard

The only problem being that I get the distinct impression this a rather competitive field :)

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P.S. I might just drop you an email ;)
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:14 pm

The airforce used a very similar method to mark aircraft components, as I recall acid, letraset and a current. letters themselves being etched in.
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Re: Auction news

Postby David C » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:51 am

Richard wrote:Interesting sword coming up at Wallis's Sale on 10 October - estimate £4000-£6000. Anyone care to comment?


I don't think there is any likelihood that someone would mark a sword "Brevet Major" it fundamentally misunderstands the Brevet rank.
It would be like having a business card saying
Assistant Director - Temporary promotion

As a brevet major he would have had the rank of Major in all places other than his own regiment

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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:08 pm

found the VC sword that was altered. Note in description a section of scabbard has been polished out, where the original owners name would have been!
http://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/56/1392
Seems to have sold again. They do not show the bad etching of the Wilkinson address.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:13 pm

The proved disc is not oriented correctly and the HW is not centred in the disc and has no border. Ruined a good presentation sword :oops:
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:48 pm

Looks the standard forger's Century font which originated in the USA in 1894. Lovely example of etching using acid-resistant Letraset from the 1970s - 1990s.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:58 pm

Did anyone see this at Spink's auction yesterday? It went rather cheaply I thought :P
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:30 pm

I also thought $1900 US was somewhat inexpensive. Of course in Canadian $ it would be $2512. Brit pound at about 1550. The blades blue appears touched up?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:39 pm

This one sold for what it's worth I think at 850 GBP.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... f900c7b168
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Re: Auction news

Postby JordanPL » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:36 am

Looks like it may have been passed and not sold Will?
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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:39 am

Will Mathieson wrote: The blades blue appears touched up?

We'll soon find out ....
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Lets hope it's not touched up.
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:32 pm

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Re: Auction news

Postby Richard » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:21 pm

Will Mathieson wrote:Save your pennies for this one: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... fa0122a0f4

I think that was in last year's sale and didn't sell. Bit too much bling for me ....
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Re: Auction news

Postby Will Mathieson » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:28 pm

The listing does not mention provenance to an individual. There must be some idea of what this is?
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Re: Auction news

Postby hargrove999 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:22 pm

It "sold" for about $20,000 hammer. One suspects the buyer did not come up with the readies and hence is being auctioned once more. Without provenance to an individual, a rather worn blade and the current exchange rate the new lower estimate looks more sensible
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