M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

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M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by RGJDEE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:15 am

Can anyone help with these Unit marks to this M1811 ‘Blucher’.
There are no Makers/inspection marks to spine or Ricasso. Any help dating also much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by Richard » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:31 pm

I’m afraid I can’t help with the markings, they are quite difficult to decipher and I’ve misplaced the little book I have on these German units. However, date wise I would say 1830s which is when most of these swords were made. They were used up to the early years of the 20th century and recycled countless times from main line units to reserve battalions as this sword with its crossed out markings attests.
One often see this pattern of sword advertised as ‘Napoleonic’ which is a fallacy. Prussia was under french control until late 1813 and production did not start until after 1814-15 since Prussia had to rebuild its manufacturing base after it freed itself of French control (the French destroyed Potsdam's mills and grinding stones as they retreated across Europe). The Prussian Cavalry at Waterloo was mostly armed with captured French swords or British 1796s

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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by RGJDEE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:58 pm

I read somewhere that these were dated and marked on the spine post 1830 production,?
Thanks for getting back to me.
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by Richard » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:37 pm

I've seen a few marked 'S&K 1832' on the back edge of the blade (or something near 1832) but I can't recall seeing any other production dates. I think those so marked must have been a specific batch by Schnitzler and Kirschbaum. The unit markings often incorporate a date but that, of course, is not the same as a manufacture date.
Is this a sword that you already have or are thinking of buying?

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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by RGJDEE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:56 pm

Already purchased? Arrived this morning
Hilt/guard and scabbard well pitted but the blade is gorgeous !
Have recieved news re unit
Bottom one is Feld Artillerie Von Podbowlski
And top one Feld Lazarette Y ( train / supply column) waffle z.!
Forgive my amateur explanation
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by Richard » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:57 pm

Here's one I used to have
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by RGJDEE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:26 pm

Looks too nice to part with .
Here’s mine.
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by Will » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:16 pm

I have what I believe is an early one, quite light and not heavy as the later 1831 dated sword I used to have. Completely unmarked.
Blade 1 1/2" wide at ricasso, 3/8" thick and 31 5/8" long. Knucklebow has a 1" long sword knot slit.
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by RGJDEE » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Will do a comparison when I get it home ,
Thanks for sharing .
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Re: M1811 ‘Blucher’ Sabre, help dechiphering unit markings Please

Post by Richard » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:58 pm

Hi Will

I always thought the one I posted above was fairly early since it seems a lot closer to the 1796 than later produced 1811s.

And here is a 1796 by Reddell & Bate with BO inspection stamp (crown over 4) which saw Prussian service - it is marked 8LR No. 175 3E (8th Landwehr Regiment, Sword 175, 3rd Eskadron). I assume this was one either one of the 6,000 Britain sent to Prussia in 1807 or one of the 10,000 sent in 1813 - probably the latter since it has Landwehr (reserve) marking. These sabres were of course the basis for the 1811 model.

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