Help with identifying sabre

Daniel Landerholm
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Help with identifying sabre

Post by Daniel Landerholm » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:43 pm

Hi!

Does anyone know which type/pattern of sabre this is. Someone has told me it´s an english 1790 calvalry officer`s sword. Can someone help me with the identification and perhaps give me an estimated value.
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Thanks in advance!

Best regards

Daniel
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James B
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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by James B » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:14 pm

Hi Daniel,

Welcome to the forum.

I am by no means an expect (as I primarily collect rarer British bayonet patterns) but I suspect you have a European sword, strongly leaning towards it being French, roughly around the Napoleonic period.

It has a strong 'hussar' styling, but could well be from a different branch of service. Search French Hussar Sword (for example) into google and you will see many swords with similar stylings and features. Swords of this styling were common place across Europe so this may well be from another European nation, but I do not have the knowledge to tell you which one.

There are plenty of knowledgeable people on here, they tend to specialise in British cavalry/infantry swords but I'm positive someone must have an idea as to what it is.

Are there any markings on the blade or hilt at all?

Did you inherit this or are you starting to collect?

Thanks,

James

Daniel Landerholm
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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Daniel Landerholm » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:53 pm

Hi James!

The only markings except the ones I posted is this one
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I googled french hussar sword and I can agree that it could be of french origin. But if you compare the English pattern 1788, it also looks similar. Iam pretty confused. Someone got an explanation?
The sword itself was a present from a relative. And Iam not collecting European swords. I collect swedish swords, sabres and cutlasses from the 17 th century to the present.

Regards

Daniel
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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by David C » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:51 pm

I think the comma shaped quillon finial suggests English rather than French, as does the vestigial languet, despite the stamps on the guard.
My guess would be British light cavalry pre 1788 pattern, so 1770 to late 1780s as a date with a German blade.

David

Daniel Landerholm
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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Daniel Landerholm » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Hi David!

Why a german blade? Import from Solingen? What do you think about the value?

Regards

Daniel

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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Will » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:28 pm

Why Solingen blade because of cost, these were less expensive and have etching officers would have liked.

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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by brian wolfe » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Hi Daniel,

I rather think it is British as well and specifically the 1788 Light Cavalry Sabre. There are examples that are very close to your specimen pictured in several good reference books.
Brian Robinson's book on British Army Swords on page 8, Richard Dellar, The British Cavalry Sword page 6 shows a similar sword with narrow langets the same as yours except his example has double langets. Charles Martyn, The British Cavalry Sword page 56 has an example that is close except the langets are wider. The closest example I could find to your sword was in Janusz Jaroslawski's book The British Pattern 1796 Cavalry Sword and Other Derivatives, page 59. His sword, listed as c. 1795, Light Cavalry, is an officer's sword and has an ivory grip and lacks any langets but the hilt itself is the same as yours. I wish I had an example to show but as yet I do not have one in my collection, perhaps another member can help with that and add more information for you. My "money" is on your sword being a British pattern with a German blade, which is not an uncommon occurrence as the British purchased a good number of blades from German makers.

Regards
Brian

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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Daniel Landerholm » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:42 pm

Hi again all!

Thanks for all the help. I don´t think that we will come any further with this sword since it´s not an issued sword established by the crown. At least I know that is an officers light cavalry sword of pre 1788 model with a german blade. My last question is what this kind of sword could be worth? (thinking of eventually selling or trade this for a swedish one, which I collectt)

Regards

Daniel

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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Bryce » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:17 am

G'day Daniel,
Interesting sword. I agree with David C that it is likely to date from 1770-1790 ish. It isn't French and could be British, but probably a Solingen blade. The stamps in the guard don't look familiar. The unfamiliar stamps suggest to me a continental place of origin rather than British. These style hilts are also typically labelled as infantry rather than cavalry, although I can't quote any references. How long is the blade? Can you post a photo of the blade spine as in the example below? Is there any trace of a maker's mark there? This may help to narrow down the country of origin.
Cheers,
Bryce
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Re: Help with identifying sabre

Post by Richard » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:00 am

Bryce wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:17 am
G'day Daniel,
The unfamiliar stamps suggest to me a continental place of origin rather than British.
I'm inclined towards it being continental also (i.e. not French but one of the German states, Scandinavian, etc.)

Richard

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