Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

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Brimage
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Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

Post by Brimage » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:49 am

Hi Guys, looking for some help with this sword.

Nationality: British
Date: Probably Post 1898
Overall Length: Overall Length 40 1/2” 120.9 cm Sword Only 38” 96.4 cm
Blade length: 33” 83.9 cm
Blade widest point: 1 1/8” 2.8 cm
Hilt widest point: 4 ½” 11.4 cm
Inside grip length: 3 ½” 8.8 cm
Marks, etc: Both scabbard mounts have what looks like hall marks, and the letters JTSCHSOH or could be UTSGHSOH are on the blade under the cross guard

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This sword appears to be a variation on the Pattern 1831- Mameluke General & Staff Officer Sword. It has non regulation white metal/silver mounts with silver fittings, parade polished scabbard with unusual silver suspension rings and bands bearing hall marks. Plain double fullered highly polished blade. Plain studs instead of decorative rosettes to the Ivory hilt, in good condition with minor chip. Two small holes are between the studs on one side indicating that something may have been attached to the grip at some stage.

Under the cross guard at the top of the blade on one side is what appears to be the number 4700 and on the other what appear to be the letters JTSCHSOH or could be UTSGHSOH (the bold letters are the only ones I am reasonably sure of)

Gordon has suggested the sword may have been produced by a manufacturer who moved to India and adopted marks similar to hall marks as a sign of quality. This one has us scratching our heads, hence I am posting it here hoping that someone may have seen one like this before or have some idea what either the marks of odd assortment of letters signify.

Cheers Cathey and Rex
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Re: Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

Post by Will » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:24 pm

Is it possible you are reading the letters upside down? Do you think the letters are stamped unevenly so part of them do not appear? What if the H's are N's?
The grips appear flush with the tang and not slightly proud such as Wilkinsons examples of the same period.

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Re: Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

Post by Matt Easton » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:15 pm

Surely the letters are Putsch Sohn and this was made by that famous German company.
I think the grip bolts suggest early 20th century manufacture.
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Re: Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

Post by Brimage » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:45 am

Hi Guys

Absolutley anything is possible with the letters, they are so hard to read under the Cross Guard and I can't bring myself to take the sword apart at this stage. The only reference I have in my database is a "Putsch" is a C Putsch who was a retailer in 1850, too early for this sword I think. Matt, if you can help me with more information on Putsch Sohn that would be most appreciated. With regard to the plain grip bolts, I do have a much earlier sword with the same style of plain steel instead of a rosette, however I agree that the sword is probably late 19th or early 20th Century. The crafsmanship is high quality and the scabbard bands and rings are very impressive. I just wish I could identify the marks deeply impressed into the rings themselves. It is such a pitty that whatever was attached to the sword hilt has long gone.

Cheers Cathey

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Re: Non Regulation British Pattern 1831 Mameluke

Post by Matt Easton » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:16 am

C Putsch Sohn seems to have been a retailer in Solingen around 1860-1870 and presumably earlier and later than that - https://collections.royalarmouries.org/ ... -7644.html
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ ... -490959805
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